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[23:50] (@Pobice): Lol. Well atleast Tories never made a law that made IT Technicans job illgal without a licencse and then not set anything up so he can actually get one, and say it doesn't actually mater as we won't enforce it [23:50] (@Pobice): Nope [23:51] (@ball_cock): lol whats that all about? [23:52] (@Pobice): Well they came up with a law for Bouncers etc, but unfortunetly the wording was so poor that it includeds people who are responsibly for looking after computer sytems, when approached they never actually reworded it [23:53] (@Pobice): Slightly worrying [23:53] (@ball_cock): lol [23:53] (@ball_cock): oh well [23:53] (@Pobice): Considering there meant to be running the country [23:55] (@ball_cock): it still goes back to public opinion, clearly more eligible voters wanted Labour to win than wanted the tories to. Taking the proportion of votes of those who turned out as a measure of overall public opinion, that suggests over half the british population wanted Labopur to win [23:56] (@Pobice): Yeh but there a load of twats at the moment, who seem to like wasting public money on advertising, themseleves, more advisors and focus groups [23:57] (@ball_cock): well maybe so.... I think the tories would end up doing very much the same thing if they'd got in, despite what they say [23:57] (@Pobice): The Goverenments less efficent then is ever been since the war [23:57] (@ball_cock): so... thats not what their success will be judged on [23:58] (@Pobice): Well what have they actually done? [23:58] (@Pobice): Appart from contridict them seleves and there schemes [23:58] (@ball_cock): made inroads into improving the situations caused by excessive tory cuts to serivces [23:59] (Psyduck): I have got to go as I have to do my brothers publice service btec waht evre crap work [23:59] (@ball_cock): lol [23:59] (@ball_cock): c ya [23:59] (@Pobice): Which actually haven't been cut for years [23:59] (Psyduck): Explain if possible late [23:59] *** Quits: Psyduck (QUIT: User exited) [00:01] (Pobice_away_away_away_away_awa): They quote torry cuts but when was the last time they actually cut back on spending? [00:01] (@ball_cock): yes but come on, Major wasnt exactly doing the country a favour by not raising spending on NHS and Education, waiting lists rising under tories, class sizes going up.... etc. Oh and not to mention the small matter of the total bollock of rail privatisation, even the tories now admit it was a mistake [00:01] (Pobice_away_away_away_away_awa): Did you say anyting just after tom quite [00:02] (@ball_cock): nope [00:02] *** Pobice_away_away_away_away_awa is now known as Pobice [00:02] *** ball_cock sets mode: +o Pobice [00:02] (@Pobice): Well in fact he did raise the nhs spending [00:03] (@ball_cock): evidently not by enough, and by very little if any in real terms [00:03] (@Pobice): And as for the railways they never should have been natiolised in the first place [00:03] (@Pobice): lol [00:03] (@ball_cock): oh for god's sake [00:03] (@Pobice): Well when he quotes tory spending he always quotes the actually ammount from like 1990 and not in "real terms" [00:04] (@ball_cock): I'm not saying Labour are perfect but at the moment there's no viable alternative. The tories are so obsessed with Europe, and internal squabbles about Europe, and shaddow cabinet arguing about Europe, and a bit more Europe, etc [00:04] (@Pobice): Ok I admit the railways was a balls up, by Labour haven't helpped really [00:05] (@ball_cock): Its a bit hard though, seeing as its a private compant (railtrack that is) [00:05] (@ball_cock): all the govt can do is pile money in, with no hope of getting it back, and let railtrack directors decide what to do with ot [00:05] (@Pobice): Well they keeping fineing it, then giving them money (which they haven't got yet) [00:06] (@ball_cock): if the privatisation had been done well (in other words not done at all!!) then we wouldn't be in this mess in the first plac [00:06] (@Pobice): And the current fines on the operators arn'tvery fair, in fact it almost sent our local train opperator bust (they were ought out by Ariva, so we now how a transport monopoly in this area) [00:07] (@Pobice): Yes we would [00:07] (@ball_cock): There's no way at all you can clain Labour have been worse for railways than the tories were [00:07] (@Pobice): Do you remember how bad Dewsbury station was before? [00:07] (@ball_cock): yes, and.... [00:07] (@Pobice): Whats it like now? [00:08] (@Pobice): Same with Leeds and manchester [00:08] (@ball_cock): after 4 years of Labour government... very good, well at kleast better than before, lifts etc [00:08] (@ball_cock): Leeds isn't finished yet, we'll wait and see with that I think [00:08] (@Pobice): Actually all that came about from the sytem that came in under the torries [00:08] (@ball_cock): and I havent been to Manchester [00:09] (@ball_cock): came in under them maybe, but didnt actually happen when they were in office [00:09] (@Pobice): The only thing Laour has done for this end of the railways is near stop the trains all together [00:09] (@ball_cock): the money didnt come from them [00:10] (@Pobice): Anyway if we still had prvitised Railway, would it actually be any better? [00:10] (@ball_cock): the disruption was caused by restrictions (necessary safety restrictions) set out after Hatfield crash, the causes opf which stem from Tory balls up resulting in underinvestment for years [00:10] (@Pobice): Think of how much more money would have to have been invested to get it even to the current state [00:10] (@ball_cock): we do have privatised railway, remember [00:11] (@ball_cock): what?? [00:11] (@Pobice): Ops wrong wprdign, meant if it was still nationalised [00:11] (@Pobice): Well it was underfunnded as the public don't like them spending lots of money on the railways [00:12] (@ball_cock): and it wasnt under the tories? [00:13] (@Pobice): The fact of the matter is more people than for a good few year travel by rail [00:13] (@ball_cock): before privatisation, under the tories for all those years, was when the underinvestment was most prevalent. it was only when they realised it ws going to start costing considerable amounts of money to keep running when they took the easy option and sold it all off [00:13] (@Pobice): And leeds train station handels more trains than it has ever done [00:13] (@ball_cock): yes, but again the problems which caused that stemmed from the Tory underinvestment [00:14] (@ball_cock): until Hatfield, passenger numbers were at a klevel higher than for many years [00:14] (@Pobice): WHich stem for Labour univestment, which stem back from beeching, which stem back to them been nationlised in the first place [00:15] (@Pobice): Were tlaking about the current governement, not the old one [00:16] (@Pobice): We can all realate problems to mistakes in the past, but we can't change the past [00:16] (@Pobice): Hmm the topic seems to be quite appropriate [00:17] (@ball_cock): Regardless which government did what, I dont see how you can deny that what is essentially a public service such as the railways, it is better off in public ownership because only there can the emphasis be 100% on investment for public safety and public benefot, with no aspect of having to consider shareholders [00:17] (@ball_cock): ajnd profits etc [00:18] (@ball_cock): how much was thet ex- chief executive (who was effectively sacked) get as a redundancy payout? [00:19] (@Pobice): Yes well that a law labour *missed* out of the previous queens spech, and therefore parliment because it didn't grab the headlines enough [00:19] (@Pobice): And if it had gone through (which it probably wonuldn't have, the governemnt would have had powers to stop that) [00:20] (@ball_cock): Evan Labour are not currently considering a renationalisation plan as this would involve the government taking on massive debts also, but their plans come closest to that [00:20] (@ball_cock): STOP [00:20] (@Pobice): Stop Carry On timer Started For: ball_cock [00:20] (@ball_cock): I thinkw e should 'let the people decide on this one [00:21] (@Pobice): lol. Well the poeple want lower taxes and free everything [00:21] (@ball_cock): put this whole transport discussion as a rant or something and have a vote as who would be best to run the railways [00:21] (@Pobice): But they can't have that [00:21] (@ball_cock): true, but based on what we've said well see which people would rather go for out of tories and labour [00:21] (@Pobice): Well privitised railways works for most other countrys in the world [00:21] (@ball_cock): dont put in any other 'silly' alternatives otherwise people will all go for that [00:22] (@Pobice): lol [00:22] (@ball_cock): that statement doesnt qualify as the debate has ended [00:22] (@ball_cock): carry on [00:22] (@Pobice): ball_cock Stop .. Carry on lasted for 2mins 12secs [00:22] (@ball_cock): ooo thats longer than last time [00:22] (@ball_cock): sorry... [00:23] (@Pobice): What this the new SLim Line Question Time ( A time where Haugue smashes Blair into peices on a regualr occurence) [00:23] (@ball_cock): probably. I admit, the majority are liklely to vote tory but I'm not too bothered [00:24] (@ball_cock): some people may enjoy reading all this bollocks [00:24] (@Pobice): And every few weeks ask Gordon Brown what his 5 test for the euro are, and the only time he gave any sort of answer he only gave 3 tests [00:24] (@ball_cock): lol [00:24] (@ball_cock): well, he is a politician [00:24] (@Pobice): lol [00:24] (@ball_cock): they're very forgetful [00:24] (@ball_cock): anyway I'm off now [00:24] (@ball_cock): prob b on 2morro, not sure tho [00:24] (@Pobice): It would just be nice if the actually came out with these 5 blooming tests for once [00:25] (@ball_cock): sont b on Friday for sure [00:25] (@Pobice): k [00:25] (@ball_cock): c ya |
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